The 2nd to None is the Lundquist for surfers who want quad drive in fattier wave faces — a modern Swiss-Army shortboard with quad-default direction, built around a centered-wide-point outline that loads the rear quad fins on rail.
WHAT IT WANTS
Fattier-faced waves with shape — SoCal points and beach breaks where the wall is drawing out and you need a board that holds speed instead of pivoting. Travels well to mainland Mexico walls, Indo down-the-line points, and reef breaks where speed maintenance matters more than pop pivot.
SKILL LEVEL
Intermediate to advanced surfers ready to commit to quad drive on fattier wave faces. Quad rewards a feel for sustained rail engagement over pivot — surfers who want to learn that feel will get it on this board.
WHAT IT'S NOT
Not a step-up. The flat nose rocker reads groveler-flat against step-up benchmarks — when the surf gets to double-overhead with heavy push, a dedicated step-up shape will handle it better. Not a small-wave grovel either; for knee-to-waist mush, a wider, flatter shape will paddle and plane better.
BUILD DETAILS
Build overview — rocker profile, rail shapes, fin positions. Hover any zone for the per-section call-outs.
THE DESIGN
Flat nose rocker keeps speed alive through the soft parts of a wave that catch a thruster out — the quad signature. A single concave through the front two-thirds gives the lead foot a clean, loaded surface; the transition into a vee-blended double through the back third spreads water out toward the rear quad fins for the held-rail drive that defines this shape. Medium tail rocker keeps drive-and-release balanced — squash tail releases cleanly off the back foot. Quads aren't specialty fins anymore. They're the right tool for fattier, drawn-out, down-the-line surf where speed-maintenance matters more than pop pivot.
THE OUTLINE
Modern Swiss-Army shortboard width through the belly with a pulled-in back quarter that gives the rear quad fins a clean rail line to load. 60/40 rails through the midsection give a forgiving rail-to-rail feel; hard rails through the last 12" of the tail release water cleanly at speed. The outline rewards being read in liters rather than length — the 5'10" lands at 19.375" wide and 29.3L volume, slightly fuller than the Innuendo at the same length to load the rear quad fins on rail. Quad customers usually size up 0–1L compared to their go-to thruster.
THE RAILS
Performance rails — soft through the front foot for forgiveness, tucked under the back foot for clean release. Rail thickness flexes by length and rider intent.
Custom builds are tuned to your dims and surfing style. Talk to Blake about specifics.
+ Not sure which size? Calculate your volume
Volumes are starting points, not rulebooks. Conditions, stance, and style all shift the math.
STOCK DIMENSIONS
Stock dimensions are where we start. Customers tweak width, thickness, and volume to match where they surf and how they ride. The 2nd to None rewards being read in liters first — most quad buyers in this band land between 28L and 35L, with the 5'10" at 29.3L sitting centered. Talk to Blake about any adjustments you'd like to make — he'll help you dial in a board with your riding preferences in mind.
Featured sizes cover the core-liters range (26–35L) most of our customers land in. Need a size outside the band? Expand All sizes or start a custom order for a specific dim.
| Length | Width | Thickness | Volume |
|---|---|---|---|
| 5'7" | 19.00" | 2.29" | 26.1L |
| 5'8" | 19.13" | 2.33" | 27.1L |
| 5'9" | 19.25" | 2.38" | 28.2L |
| 5'10" | 19.38" | 2.42" | 29.3L |
| 5'11" | 19.50" | 2.46" | 30.4L |
| 6'0" | 19.63" | 2.50" | 31.6L |
| 6'1" | 19.75" | 2.54" | 32.8L |
| 6'2" | 19.88" | 2.58" | 34.0L |
| 6'3" | 20.00" | 2.63" | 35.2L |
+ How to think about dims
Length. Longer = more rail line in the water (drives through a turn, holds through fast walls, paddles better). Shorter = quicker rail-to-rail, tighter in the pocket. Quad drive rewards a touch of extra rail line — sized at your daily-driver shortboard length, the 2nd to None reads slightly shorter than a thruster of the same dims because the quad setup gives back what the extra rail holds.
Width. Narrower = holds a line in clean, fast waves; faster rail-to-rail. Wider = paddles better, more stable in softer surf, sits flatter on rail. The 5'10" lands at 19.375" — touch fuller than the Innuendo's 19.125" at the same length, less than a Wanted's 20.000". Quads like a touch of width through the back half to load the rear fins on rail.
Thickness / volume. More volume = more paddle and more margin on softer days. Less volume = sensitive underfoot; rails sink cleanly; turns feel crisper. Quad customers usually size up 0–1L compared to the same surfer's go-to thruster — the quad setup generates less drive on its own than three fins so the extra liters help paddle without dulling the feel.
Quad vs thruster on this hull. Quad stock — the 2nd to None was designed around quad drive. Choose the 5-fin (quad+nubster) custom alt if you want release-off-the-top in steeper sections without giving up quad drive in the meat of the wave. Choose the thruster custom alt if you want pivot release through the tail for steeper hollower surf — but you're fighting the contour at that point.
Squash vs swallow. Squash stock (release + drive balance — industry-standard quad tail). Swallow custom alt (+$15) — adds bite off the back foot for fish-influenced quad feel.
Between sizes? Size up in volume (not length) for softer waves, and down in volume for overhead surf with real push.
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FIN SETUP
Quad stock. Futures boxes. The 2nd to None was designed around quad drive — a flat nose rocker, vee-blended double back third, and pulled-in back-quarter outline that loads the rear fins on rail for sustained speed through fattier wave faces.
5-fin (quad+nubster) is the custom alt for surfers who want release-off-the-top in steeper sections without giving up quad drive. The center stabilizer is a small FCS II / Pavel-style nubster behind the rear quad fins — it doesn’t generate drive on its own, but adds a touch of pivot bite that the quad alone won’t deliver. John John Florence rides quad+nubster at J-Bay; this is that build.
Thruster is available as a custom alt for surfers who want pivot release through the tail — but you’re fighting the contour at that point. If you want a thruster as your primary fin setup, look at the Innuendo or Five Horizons. Need help picking templates? Read the fin guide, then start a conversation — we’re happy to talk it through before you lock the build.
Recommended Fins
The 2nd to None is the brand's primary quad-default Swiss-Army shortboard — the contour was drawn around quad drive. The right quads keep speed alive through fattier wave faces and load on rail through long drawn-out carves. Per Blake's "less is more" philosophy: most quad customers do better sizing down a touch from the brand chart — quad clusters release easier than thrusters, so a slightly smaller fin gives a looser feel without losing drive.
Performer Quad
Medium· Performance CoreAll-Around / Mid-Rake
FCS's most versatile quad — neutral rake, balanced foil. Looser than the Carver, more drive than a small-wave quad. The everyday pick if you want one quad set that covers most clean shoulder-to-overhead.
Shop FCS II →
Pyzel Quad
Medium· PC AircoreSpeed / Skatey
Pyzel-collab rears — fast and skatey, more release than hold. Best for clean head-high points where you want speed off the bottom and a looser feel through the top. The play if you ride mostly fattier walls and want to lean into pop.
Shop FCS II →
Carver Quad
Medium· Performance CoreDrive / Rake-Leaning
FCS's drive-focused quad — drawn-out arcs with hold through bigger faces. The reference quad pick if your home break is points or fattier walls. Size Medium runs slightly smaller than the brand chart; lean here unless you're consistently riding overhead.
Shop FCS II →
Christenson Tri-Quad
Medium· Performance GlassDrive / Hold
Chris Christenson's collab — fiberglass quad set tuned for held-rail drive on hollower walls. Templates lean rake; the foil holds long arcs through power. Pick this when your surf has more push than your everyday Performer.
Shop FCS II →
Reactor
Medium· Performance CorePivot / Top-to-Bottom
Upright template with shorter base — releases off the top vertically. The pick when you want tight, snappy shortboard surfing in punchy beach break.
Shop FCS II →
F6 Legacy Quad
· HoneycombAll-Around / Mid-Rake
Mid-rake quad on a Honeycomb base — the everyday Futures quad. Drives without overpowering the contour, releases without skating off line. Reach for this first if you're not sure which quad to start with.
Shop Futures →
F8 Legacy Quad
· HoneycombDrive / Rake-Leaning
Larger area + more rake than the F6 — sustained drive through long-line carves on bigger faces. The right Futures pick when the F6 feels too neutral and you want to load the rear fins on rail.
Shop Futures →
Padillac Quad
Drive / Speed
Pyzel collab — built for fast and skatey speed. Drive through the bottom turn but releases easier than the F8 / Evil. Best on clean head-high pointbreak where you want speed maintenance over hold.
Shop Futures →
Mayhem Evil Quad
Drive / Hold
Matt Biolos's drive-tuned Mayhem quad — tighter foil and more hold than the standard rears. Built for committed surfers who want the quad to drive through the back end of a turn instead of releasing.
Shop Futures →
P6 Alpha
· AlphaPivot / Top-to-Bottom
Futures's P-series is their dedicated pivot template — upright leading edge, shorter base, vertical release. Pairs with shortboards built for punchy contest-style surfing.
Shop Futures →
TA Rear Quad
· HexcoreAll-Around / Mid-Rake
True Ames's house quad rear set — Hexcore construction with mid-rake foil. The everyday pick for surfers who want a balanced quad without the extra rake of the Mackie or Tyler Warren.
Shop True Ames →
Tyler Warren Quad
· Solid FiberglassDrive / Pure Feel
Tyler Warren's hand-foiled quad — solid fiberglass, mid-rake with a clean foil for a smooth, organic feel through long drawn-out carves. The pure-feel quad pick when you want trim character over ultra-stiff response.
Shop True Ames →
Mackie Quad
· Solid FiberglassDrive / Hold
Solid-glass quad set with a wider foil for sustained hold. Best on fattier walls where you want the rear fins to load on rail and stay locked through power turns.
Shop True Ames →
Album Bomdia Quad
· ApexAll-Around / Mid-Rake
Album Surf collab — neutral mid-rake quad with a refined foil. Loose enough for skatey surfing in clean conditions, drives well enough to handle a bottom turn at speed.
Shop NVS →
Stu Kenson Quad
Medium· ApexDrive / Held-Rail
Stu Kenson's collab — hand-foiled fiberglass quad with rake-leaning template tuned for held-rail drive. Apex construction adds the stiffness committed surfers want.
Shop NVS →
Bronn Quad
· ApexDrive / 80-20 Foil
Bronn template with 80-20 foiled inner faces — the cant-and-toe geometry favors drive through a long arc. Pick this when you want a step up in drive from the Album Bomdia without going full rake like the Cheyne Horan.
Shop NVS →
Cheyne Horan Quad
· ApexDrive / Rake
Cheyne Horan's template — more rake, more area, more drive. Best on fattier walls where you want the rear fins to anchor the back end of a long turn. Heavier-feel quad — pair with this only if you ride consistently in head-high or larger.
Shop NVS →Not sure which fin template is right for you? Rake, area, flex, and construction all change how a board feels.
Read the Complete Fin Guide →RAKE SPECTRUM
Where each recommended fin sits between drawn-out rake (heavier arcs, more hold) and tight pivot (vertical release, modern shortboard turning). Mid-rake (neutral) is the balanced default.
Drawn-out arcs. Power, hold, drive through long-line turns.
Balanced — drive plus pivot release. The everyday HPSB default.
Tight, vertical release. Modern shortboard pivot off the top.
FCS IIPerformer Quadmid-rake (neutral)
FCS IIPyzel Quadmid-rake (neutral)
FCS IICarver Quadrake-leaning
FCS IIChristenson Tri-Quadrake
FCS IIReactorpivot-leaning
FuturesF6 Legacy Quadmid-rake (neutral)
FuturesF8 Legacy Quadrake-leaning
FuturesPadillac Quadrake-leaning
FuturesMayhem Evil Quadrake
FuturesP6 Alphapivot-leaning
True AmesTA Rear Quadmid-rake (neutral)
True AmesTyler Warren Quadrake-leaning
True AmesMackie Quadrake
NVSAlbum Bomdia Quadmid-rake (neutral)
NVSStu Kenson Quadrake-leaning
NVSBronn Quadrake-leaning
NVSCheyne Horan Quadrake
On a high-performance shortboard, the spectrum reads: rake = drive priority through long-line carves; pivot = release off the top in steep pockets. Mid-rake (neutral) covers most everyday HPSB conditions.
WHAT TO PICK
Mid-rake (neutral) is the safest first pick on a high-performance shortboard — drive plus pivot release covers most clean shoulder-to-overhead conditions. Lean toward rake for heavier, drawn-out turns when the surf has push and shape; lean toward pivot for tight, top-to-bottom shortboard surfing in punchy beach break. Per-fin picks for this model are coming — message Blake for current recommendations across FCS, Futures, True Ames, and NVS.
SPECS REFERENCE
Full Build Specifications
Stock dimensions, rocker, bottom contour, rail profile, fin positions, recommended fins by brand, and shaper notes for shapers and partner shops.
AVAILABLE IN THE SHOP
Ready to ride. Stop by San Clemente or message us to claim one — they move fast.
CONSTRUCTION & PRICING
Starting at $750 + tax
Every 2nd to None is built to order in San Clemente. Pick a finish tier below; customize further in the next section.
Clear Resin Sanded
4-6 weeks
Functional finish, fastest turnaround. PU blank, polyester resin, sanded off the lam.
Resin Tint Sanded
6-8 weeks
Color both sides of the board in the lam, then sand it smooth.
Tint Gloss + Polish
8-10 weeks
Top-tier finish. Resin tint plus a gloss coat polished to show-quality.
Foam + Resin options
Customize your build
25% deposit today, balance due on completion. Timeline reflects current queue — confirmed on order.
Boards we've built
Recent customer builds — every 2nd to None dialed to the rider.
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GO DEEPER
Every construction call links to a full guide. Start with the essentials:
Board Details Checklist
Everything we need from you to begin your custom build.
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Foam & Resin Types
Understanding the materials that make up your board's core and shell.
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Fins — A Complete Guide
Single fins to thrusters, base systems, sizing by weight + wave, and how to pick across True Ames, NVS, Futures, and FCS.
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Gloss + Polish vs Sanded Finish
The final touch that defines how your board looks and feels.
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Why is the 2nd to None quad-default when most modern shortboards are thruster-default?
Quads aren't specialty fins anymore. They're the right tool for fattier, drawn-out, down-the-line surf where speed-maintenance matters more than pop pivot. The 2nd to None was designed around quad drive — the flat nose rocker, vee-blended double back third, and pulled-in back-quarter outline all load the rear quad fins on rail. Felipe Toledo, Slater, Connor Coffin, and Dane Reynolds all ride quads when conditions favor sustained drive over pivot. This is the Lundquist for that kind of surf.
When does the 5-fin (quad+nubster) make sense over the quad?
Pick the 5-fin when you want release-off-the-top in steeper sections without giving up quad drive in the meat of the wave. The center stabilizer is a small FCS II / Pavel-style nubster — it doesn't generate drive on its own, but adds a touch of pivot bite the quad alone won't deliver. John John Florence rides quad+nubster at J-Bay + Pipe; that's the brief. Stay quad-only if you mostly surf points and walls. Add the nubster if you want some pivot bite in steeper sections.
Will the 2nd to None work in waist-high surf?
Not really. The 2nd to None starts coming alive at chest-high — the quad-direction contour wants a wave with shape. For waist-and-under, look at a wider, flatter shape (Gumball groveler-leaner, Big Buoy fuller-foam grovel) or a true twin (Pin Twin, Suds) where the fin setup generates more lift on its own. The quad on the 2nd to None is built for sustained drive through fattier wave faces, not small-wave plane.
Is the 2nd to None a step-up?
No. The flat nose rocker (4.03" at 5'10") reads groveler-flat relative to dedicated step-up shapes — true step-ups carry significantly more nose rocker for the late-drop confidence heavy water requires. The 2nd to None's rocker is built for sustained speed through fat sections, not late-drop confidence in double- overhead surf. For that, look at the Talisman Step-Up. The 2nd to None is Swiss-Army shortboard territory.
How long until my 2nd to None is ready?
Turnaround depends on the finish:
- Clear resin sanded — 4–6 weeks
- Tint gloss + polish — 8–10 weeks
- Resin tint sanded — 6–8 weeks
Timeline reflects the current queue and is confirmed at order. A 25% deposit locks the build slot.
What fins do you recommend on the 2nd to None?
We're finalizing per-brand fin picks across Futures, FCS II, True Ames, and NVS for the 2nd to None — quad templates with a rake (drive) profile to match the held-rail brief. Until they're dialed in, start the custom order and we'll recommend a template based on your weight, stance, and the waves you're riding most.
Can I order the 2nd to None as a thruster from the start?
Yes — thruster is available as a custom alt at no extra fin-box cost beyond the standard 5-fin setup ($50–$100+). You'll get all five plugs and can run thruster, quad, or 5-fin from the same board. Just note that the 2nd to None's contour was designed around quad drive, so the thruster will feel different than on a thruster-first model like the Innuendo. If thruster is your primary setup, look at the Innuendo or Five Horizons.
Do you ship internationally?
Yes. Nationwide US shipping starts at $150; worldwide from $350. Free local pickup in San Clemente. Every board ships insured for full value, with signature required. FedEx or UPS domestic, air cargo internationally. Exact quote on request.
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COMPLETE THE QUIVER
“Surf Everyday” means a board for every condition. Your 2nd to None covers waist-high to overhead with shape; peaking shoulder-to-overhead— here's what rounds out the quiver.
Innuendo— Shortboard
Sister shortboard in the Lundquist line — different rocker, foil, and outline character. See the Innuendo page for the full breakdown.
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Gumball— Shortboard
Sister shortboard in the Lundquist line — different rocker, foil, and outline character. See the Gumball page for the full breakdown.
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Five Horizons— Shortboard
Sister shortboard in the Lundquist line — different rocker, foil, and outline character. See the Five Horizons page for the full breakdown.
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Building a quiver around the 2nd to None? Start a conversation — we'll build the right boards for how and where you actually surf.
More boards live in the website catalog than at the shop. Visits are by appointment — text or call (949) 750-5067 to look at boards in person or start a custom build.
READY TO START?
Every 2nd to None is built to order in San Clemente — 4–6 weeks on a clear-sanded build, 6–8 weeks on tint-sanded, 8–10 weeks on gloss and polish. Lock your slot with a 25% deposit.
Shop: 106 W Mariposa Unit B, San Clemente, CA 92672
By appointment · 8am–8pm daily · (949) 750-5067